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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports oh my god I'm getting dizzy

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if parties keep spitting around like

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this I'm gonna get it

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nosebleed if I don't have one already so

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you think you're a tough guy in and out

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of the ring ah god no not another body

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slam oh my God we're so Colgan when you

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need them you know I mean I guess he's

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suing suing somebody now anyway last

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time I play the heel oh my god aah aah I

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guess I could start thee oh not another

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body slam ohh all right let's get outta

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here to keep your big mouth shut when

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you're dealing with the champ ha ha i

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I've learned my place technically I've

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learned my place ah I've been waiting

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for this show for gosh knows how long

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it's actually a tribute show a tribute

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show to my dear friend the late Vivian

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st. John yeah who I actually know as

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Lady Suzanne Millar in 1970 I had

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organized a metaphysical group here in

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New York the New York school of occult

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arts and sciences we had lectures and

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seminars and workshops and sold books

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and Ouija boards and things along that

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line

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and we advertise in local papers mainly

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the Village Voice which catered to a

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lower Eastside a clientele and in

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Village People and young adults and so

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forth one day this rather called

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strikingly attractive young lady

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strolled up the the stairs the second

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floor and sat down we had a conversation

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she enters introduced herself as Suzanne

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and gave me a little bit about her

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background we got to know each other she

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hailed from Cincinnati and had gotten

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off the bus I guess maybe a month or so

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earlier at the Port Authority and was

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wandering around the city trying to find

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her place I guess in in life because at

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that point she would have been I guess

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about 20 years old or so anyway I

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invited her in and she told me that she

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had been a practicing psychic for a

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while and had become adept at the Ouija

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board so now over the course of the next

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year or so we experimented with the

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Ouija board and we did some other

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psychic work together and eventually she

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became a counselor and a reader at my

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metaphysical master do yeah yeah video

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and anyway we kept in touch but then she

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kind of disappeared from my life

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for a for a number of years and when she

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remarked

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she was a couple of inches taller she

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was six foot what when I when I first

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met her but if they're wrestling boots

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on you could add a couple of inches

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short sure to that gap yeah she she

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loved she loves her wrestling boots and

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in fact I wonder where they might even

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be today anyway should tell me all about

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her career and their travels around the

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world and and we had the opportunity to

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do some much traveling and got back

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together again and

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touch I don't know off till she passed

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away in December of 2013

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yes so tonight we are having a show that

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is combining as much as we possibly can

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wrestling the world of wrestling which

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I've always been fascinated by if I was

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a little bit more athletic I might be on

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the top rope now but as it is I'm like

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one of the bad managers I'm sleeping

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away to the dressing room before I get

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beat up anyway instead of sitting here

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and spending a lot of time introducing

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our guests I'm going to have them tell

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us a little bit about their history and

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background and their interest in the

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paranormal and our first guest tonight

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we're going to do a go round-robin as we

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usually do the first part of the show

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we're going to have on Teddy dick and

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I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that again

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all right well let me ask you how first

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of all how did you meet Vivian and I

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guess there was a mutual interest there

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in the in the paranormal between the two

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of you dad there must have been because

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there was an instant connection when we

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actually did meet and it was in the

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summer of 2013 actually the year of when

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she passed I was traveling it was my

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very first time out of the West Coast

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traveling to the east coast traveling

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with my manager and another lady

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wrestler Leilani Kai who was a friend a

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longtime friend of Vivian's and that's

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why ultimately got introduced to Vivian

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was truly Lanikai and we actually ended

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up staying in her home for quite some

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time and not too long but about two

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weeks did she have the that she had the

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have the same for the which she had

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Doublemint pinchers now why don't the

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big dogs

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the the dogs the big

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dogs two cats well boy you missed it

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because she had some pretty heavyweight

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Dobermans and I remember what time I

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open yeah I opened the kitchen at the

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refrigerator door and they went after me

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growling and snapping because I guess

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they they thought I was going after

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their food or something like that and

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they were gonna have me for dinner

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instead of the regular bats but oh yeah

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many years yeah yeah well I don't know

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what happened in the Dobermans but let's

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hope that they're they're out there

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somewhere but okay so God has already

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interrupted continue yeah but so the

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minute that I walked into her home there

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was an instant connection like it was it

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was a it was a type of energy or a

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vibration that I'd never felt before and

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I instantly made a connection to it and

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I think vice versa

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she did as well one of the first things

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that Vivian told me was I knew you were

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coming I knew you were on your way you

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know and it was like you know she was

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she had she had known that I was going

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to arrive way before the moment that I

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did show up oh she was we have some room

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we had yeah yeah we have some rustling

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no knees keep it down in the background

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there before I have to slam you all to

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the mat that's right everybody behave

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there go ahead continue it was just you

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know it was very very different it was a

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very different experience for me it was

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a different kind of place to begin with

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especially for my very first time

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traveling outside of California and you

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know Vivian didn't like a lot of women

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so I heard at least that she didn't

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connect with a lot of women so when she

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connected with me you know it was pretty

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cool you know to have that and she was

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just she had such a warm heart and she

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was so giving and I think that's one of

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that people didn't really know about her

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and I don't know if you knew that about

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her Tim but she was extremely giving I

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mean if it was as if you know I was uh I

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was at my home away from home well yet

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you know yet you know people accused her

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if that's the word word of being a

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Satanist because she did that she did

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dabble in the arts the mad well the

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magical arts in fact there is a rather

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famous photo of me one night I think we

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got a little buzz and she was she was a

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great artist when it came to doing like

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drawing symbols and talismans I mean in

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her circles I I can't even do what if I

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had a compass and she decorated and I I

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think I had a pair of Speedos on or

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something swim trunks and she painted my

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entire body with all these talismans now

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they meant something to her I can't tell

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you exactly what they they were I think

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they were from the the lower King the

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lower key of Solomon and and if people

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are familiar with the work of like

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Aleister Crowley he used a lot of

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symbols and talismans and of course drew

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him on the floor and he had to stay in

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the circle and the whole bit there so we

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were involved in that and of course the

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the Ouija board it - that was her her

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main tool outside of reading the the

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tarot cards now I could do an hour on

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this but basically one one day she was

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in our metaphysical Center and her

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husband Stanley had had disappeared

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he had gone up to upstate New York I

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needed to see some friends or something

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like that and it was over the Labor Day

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weekend and he was supposed to come back

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you know before there was a traffic get

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build-up for anything well he never

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showed so she's got to be a little bit

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concerned so she decided let's take the

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Ouija board down from the the shelf we

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were selling him at the occult center

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there and and see if we could contact a

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spirit who would tell us where Stanley

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was so we put a little talcum powder on

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it and put

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our hands on the planchette and moved it

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around and asked us some questions and

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and basically the the spirit said that

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Stanley had been in a an automobile

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accident but not to worry

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worried that he was not seriously hurt

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and that the accident was in the town of

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well I remember it spelled out tuxedo

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New York

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well come Monday or Tuesday of the of

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that week this was over the weekend

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where we did the experiment the Ouija

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board I came back to the occult Center

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and Stanley was there a little bit

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bruised if I remember and a couple of

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bandages on his forehead I said Stanley

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what happened to you and he said oh I

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was driving near tuxedo New York and

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there was a an automobile accident on

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the side of the road and I slowed down

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to see you know if I could help or see

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what was going on rubbernecking I think

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it's called and somebody slammed in that

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somebody slammed to me slammed into me

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and I went into the you know the

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steering wheel in the dashboard and I

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went to the hospital overnight

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well he wasn't badly hurt but the Ouija

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board predicted what was going to happen

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it was a little bit more detailed than

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that because were some other they said

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came through other things that came

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through now normally Suzanne liked to do

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the Ouija board she could sit there for

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hours I found it a little bit boring but

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act anything to to placate her because I

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enjoyed her a companionship you know and

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anyway there were other things that case

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it was part of that the message that

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I've written up and people can read it

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because I'll post it and you know okay

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so did you okay she predicted that you

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would arrive now she had already tired

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she had already retired from wrestling

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correct oh yes yes she was when I met

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her she was actually bed bound and she

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was hooked up to an oxygen tank she was

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yes Nick well I I she I knew she was

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sick I had talked to her on the on the

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phone several times and I just could not

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get down to two

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she had visited me well we had gone in a

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couple of the cruises and trips and I

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guess he had come up to see me once for

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a couple of a couple of days over the

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holiday but I tried to keep in touch but

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she had her daughter and she was doing

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her own thing and so we didn't

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communicate that much but I did know

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that she went to a couple of like

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wrestling meet & Greets you know meet

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the fans and stuff like that and was

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busy selling you know signing autographs

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and and what did she ever do a reading

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for you she actually didn't she didn't

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do a reading no and I wish he did and I

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wish I actually had a picture with her I

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don't know why I don't have a picture

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with her um but that was one of the

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things that crossed my mind earlier this

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this afternoon is I can't believe I

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don't have a picture with Vivian but no

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she didn't do a reading with me to to

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answer your question again but but she

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did write no I remember you told me that

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she rode out some magical description or

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something for you she gave me a lot of

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her things and she gave me a lot of

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stones she gave me that one contract

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that I showed you

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yes that we never talked about which is

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sitting right in front of me and I still

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haven't figured it out I haven't quite

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put my finger on it but it's it's very

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old and it seems to have meaning to her

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and for some reason it ended up with me

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well it it might be written in a magical

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language I know you showed it to me and

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I couldn't really decipher it Oh to get

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back to Susanna or Vivian being as a

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Satanist she was not a saint I asserted

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no she considered herself a Luciferian

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yes okay and if you have studied the

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Bible which I don't claim to have but I

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do know for a fact big in the occult and

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so forth that Lucifer was actually

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the bearer of knowledge and light

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and somehow just like Satan is probably

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a Christian invention Christianity

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turned around a lot of things that were

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in the Bible to their own liking and

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Lucifer suddenly is Lucifer suddenly

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became the matter of the fork the fork

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for guy yeah the heel yeah right so I

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guess when you I guess when you look at

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it you could say that parts of the Bible

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are like a wrestling match good good

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against evil you think you think

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somebody thought of that whenever a

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wrestling that first started as a that

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form of entertainment oh it's a complete

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mockery yeah the whole story have you

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have you have you looked like you've

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studied at all the history of wrestling

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or do you know about Lou ghanians

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Franklin Lewis and yeah yeah I I've

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studied it enough to know about the

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details and and what I need to know

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about it a headlock a headlock if

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strangler and Louis got you the headlock

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it might last all of 1/2 an hour and

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those things in those they said was you

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know well like I say I've never been a

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nasty but I have known

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actually a few wrestlers a killer

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Kowalski Walter Kowalski of course who

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had its own a wrestling school up there

349
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Massachusetts he would call on the

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telephone and buy books for me he was

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very much interested at yeah he was very

352
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much interested in Nikola Tesla and I

353
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remember one time he bought a copy of

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our book on the Philadelphia Experiment

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which intrigued him and and of course

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and of course the name killer Kowalski

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was kind of you know he got that name

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because he jumped off the the top rope

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and he severed the ear of another

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wrestler by a by accident and I think he

361
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always felt kind of bad about that but

362
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you know the guy had like a cauliflower

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you ready was probably ready to come

364
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anyway I think that anyway I think it

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was Yukon Ericsson but I might be wrong

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I always get the whoever the the other

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guy was I think both of them were pretty

368
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bad guys you know I know yeah but he was

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he was he was a character I watched him

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wrestle and went to see some of the

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matches when I was a pre a teenager then

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it turned out I actually got a job

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working for Joe Bonomo no I don't know

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if you know who Joe Bonomo is but Bonomo

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Turkish taffy was named after him he was

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a strong man going back to about 1920 he

377
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would pull he would pull a railroad car

378
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with his teeth uh uh you know a long I'm

379
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sure a very lubricated track but he was

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the strongmen of the day and so they

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named the Turkish taffy after him that

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you couldn't you know full apart that

383
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easy and also I know he's still active

384
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the mighty I believe it's Atlas if you

385
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remember the comic books when you were a

386
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kid they were kicking sand in some wimps

387
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face and he took some muscle you know of

388
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course and became a champion the strong

389
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a man and they slam mail water company

390
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and the guy is a big fan of UFOs and

391
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listens to the show as does Hercules we

392
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actually have our own strongman Hercules

393
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on the on the air here but have you ever

394
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had like a UFO sighting or a paranormal

395
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experience I mean uh well I I have a

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family member who says they did actually

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and I got it do you know the name famous

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really follow just forgot his name I

399
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can't believe I can't remember it now

400
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but I was a contact with him Roger Leir

401
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oh oh yeah yeah yeah uh wait Roger Leir

402
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was the the fellow who did the alien

403
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implant implants dr. Leir yeah dr. Lee

404
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yeah he did indeed

405
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yes 14 and March if I'm not mistaken

406
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maybe I am good I got in contact with

407
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them for actually a family member of

408
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mine who claims to be an abductee and I

409
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met with him and he was a very

410
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interesting very interesting man you

411
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know it's it's it's it's crazy because

412
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my grandmother told me that one time she

413
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had an encounter actually in Armenia and

414
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and and the very first question that dr.

415
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Roger Leir asked me was has your

416
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grandmother had an encounter with the

417
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UFO and the answer was yes and I just

418
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couldn't believe that he said that

419
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because my grandmother told me about the

420
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story when I was a little girl and I

421
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didn't you know I didn't believe for the

422
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longest time but you know my my family

423
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member actually had an encounter in 2001

424
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and they said that they during this

425
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encounter that he was abducted and what

426
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he was implanted into his head and so I

427
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mean it was insane I didn't know what to

428
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make of it

429
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and it was very difficult because I was

430
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always in and out of believing him and

431
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not believing him and when I told my

432
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we've got we've got we've got to get him

433
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on the show some night the two of you

434
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would possible but he was later on you

435
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know diagnosed with with the mental

436
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illness and and that was kind of put to

437
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decide the possibility of him being

438
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abducted was put to decide and this was

439
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well before I I hope Rogers leader and

440
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and he tried to meet with him and and

441
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find out you know if this was indeed a

442
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case of an actual encounter or a case of

443
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the mental illness because yes there

444
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there's always that that line of you

445
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know it is a it is a sim in

446
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indeed now you say he he he did have an

447
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implant or said he had one yes yes he

448
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did he did but the doctor earlier never

449
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took an x-ray or anything he passed away

450
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before we can get the x-ray so it was

451
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right at that point of of getting him in

452
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but it was but yeah I don't know you all

453
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know I guess I'll never know I guess

454
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we'll never know

455
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well it's a it's an intra as long as you

456
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don't have the implant although that

457
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that I was thinking about this the other

458
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day it's about the only thing that you

459
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could come up in wrestling the scenario

460
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that nobody's tried yet that I know of

461
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although maybe our next guest at

462
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Donnybrook might have thought of it and

463
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we'll be back right after our break

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there's some more wrestling news and

465
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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

467
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

468
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well you know maybe I could sneak out of

469
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the ring here without anybody seeing me

470
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get back to the safety of the the

471
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dressing room our next guest he he's

472
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closing it he's circling me no no no

473
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Donny Donny keep keep it too since I

474
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didn't do it I swear I didn't kick you

475
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in the back while you were head his turn

476
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no Donnybrook Donnybrook with us

477
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Donnybrook yeah you helped from what is

478
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it's Georgia right I live in the state

479
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of Georgia boy I was only making raised

480
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in Augusta and you start you know I just

481
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I guess it's only bitten with it maybe

482
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the last six months ago or so I start

483
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getting these mysterious emails from

484
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someone who had no name I'm really

485
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attached to it but they were like

486
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strange lights in the sky and in other

487
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things that were coming in and it was

488
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always side Donny the I think the that

489
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:24,920
he booked a wrestler or something I said

490
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well you know man I want to do it show I

491
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want to do a show on the paranormal and

492
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UFOs and wrestlers and in all of that

493
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and so I go Hearst

494
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dharia into coming on to the program so

495
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Donny why don't you start out and just

496
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tell us a little bit about your

497
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wrestling career and then we'll work

498
00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:51,680
into the the paranormal as the minutes

499
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tick away sure thing

500
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got into the restaurant business in 1989

501
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:00,680
still a senior in high school and I

502
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thought it was one of the coolest things

503
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:05,810
on TV that and like watching anything

504
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related to Elvis

505
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I mean Elvis was like he's like the king

506
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of rock and roll there's my favorite

507
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:15,380
singer he does no wrong 1990 I graduated

508
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high school and I actually get trained

509
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to referee and at the time I was only

510
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:21,980
like 120 pounds and I started to gain

511
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weight and so my trainer who was King

512
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Harley now not Harley Race but King

513
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Harley he did midcard spots for the WWF

514
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and did the regional territories they

515
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:35,630
did a biker gimmick so anybody who would

516
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watch primetime wrestling on the USA

517
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Network in 85 and 86 saw him he would

518
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just go in and look really good but

519
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always put the big name over but um he

520
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:49,460
was my trainer and I got into I worked

521
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for him here in Georgia was just to run

522
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regional who were your favorite like the

523
00:27:02,020 --> 00:26:59,690
wrestlers that like growing up I

524
00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:02,030
remember I was the Oh a vice president

525
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:03,920
he's a vice president I was a vice

526
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:07,790
president at O'Connor fan club so oh

527
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:09,950
yeah it's like yeah

528
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:13,520
Dickie Slater Dickie Slater to me was

529
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:16,670
the best pound for in the end the NWA

530
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:20,510
now in the NWA dick Slater was in the

531
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WWF Bret Hart - best I mean if you had

532
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,980
to pick somebody else other than bread

533
00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:30,440
definitely Curt Hennig I mean they're

534
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:31,100
even there

535
00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:34,190
they're no they're not better than each

536
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:36,230
other they were equals and my in my eyes

537
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:39,350
and biggest later he was unpredictable

538
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:42,440
so no matter you saw Vicki Slater every

539
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:43,670
week but you never knew what he was

540
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:45,350
gonna do so you got something new every

541
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:48,590
week that's what made him good and and

542
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:50,630
and and I enjoyed watching Dickie Slater

543
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:51,890
I didn't care if he was a good guy

544
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:53,750
Rebecca I want him to beat somebody up

545
00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:57,910
and he did this well I was happy but

546
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:00,830
when I was a kid I always cheered for

547
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:03,290
the bad guy and all the kids at school

548
00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:05,630
with for the good guy so they always

549
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:07,580
naturally they didn't hate me but it was

550
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:09,950
a it was a friendly rivalry you know so

551
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,450
every time the horsemen beat up Dusty

552
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:14,000
Rhodes I was a big man on campus

553
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,830
heroes I have a photo of Vivian Vivian

554
00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:20,480
leading Dusty Rhodes

555
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:24,350
out of the rain all covered in in in the

556
00:28:28,150 --> 00:28:26,090
blood well at least this forehead I

557
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:28,160
guess where maybe it cut himself or

558
00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:30,380
something like wow or maybe not I guess

559
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:33,020
if you get pounded in the same spot you

560
00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:34,730
know a couple of hundred times you're

561
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:38,750
more prone to you know bleed but the

562
00:28:43,659 --> 00:28:40,820
blood was pouring from his forehead and

563
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:43,669
there's a Vivian leading him you know

564
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,090
down the aisle back to the dressing room

565
00:28:52,030 --> 00:28:50,000
so it's okay okay so yeah you kind of

566
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:52,040
like you kind of like the heels you were

567
00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:54,770
a fan of though absolutely yeah

568
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:55,940
absolutely

569
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:00,799
I mean you know to me even if a kid the

570
00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:03,950
heels had all the heat you know because

571
00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:07,460
you could go out there and have all

572
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:10,309
these people just hating you that's like

573
00:29:14,289 --> 00:29:12,350
well they seem to have more heat on them

574
00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:14,299
or more focus on them because it seems

575
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:16,220
like to me whatever walk something's

576
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:18,500
going to get cheered because they want

577
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:21,950
that person to beat up the bigmouth so I

578
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:27,100
like bad guys that's why I did well okay

579
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:34,640
let us cut clue in the the neophytes out

580
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:37,030
there in the audience how much of it is

581
00:29:46,049 --> 00:29:39,950
sport entertainment would you say and

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:46,059
how much of it is as actually being a

583
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:49,130
great athlete okay

584
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:52,220
it's it this is it and every everybody

585
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:54,770
here in 2018 knows that professional

586
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:56,330
wrestling is entertainment everybody

587
00:30:02,049 --> 00:29:59,210
knows that but what they don't need to

588
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:02,059
know and I'm all upset some people is

589
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:04,790
they don't need to know how we create

590
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:06,740
the magic and a lot of people are

591
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:08,570
telling people that can you keep their

592
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,570
mouth shut but I'll say this the matches

593
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:14,559
are predetermined but the physicality

594
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:18,799
they that we have to go through to

595
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:22,580
perform just a basic match most people

596
00:30:27,549 --> 00:30:25,400
would cringe at the pain that it will

597
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:27,559
cause you take somebody that's will

598
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,140
train even they can screw up now if they

599
00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:32,000
screw up in wrestling either you're

600
00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:34,100
going to get hurt or you're going to die

601
00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:37,160
it will happen it has happened and

602
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,580
people that say wrestling's fake piss me

603
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:42,320
off and maybe I should have said that

604
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:45,620
word because oh yeah yes guys the guys

605
00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:48,440
the guys don't see it yeah the guys

606
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,160
don't get the credit they deserve and I

607
00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:54,320
and it and it takes me to heck off

608
00:31:00,039 --> 00:30:57,500
because when people when Owen Hart died

609
00:31:01,570 --> 00:31:00,049
people said to me well that's part of

610
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:01,580
the show and I looked at him like they

611
00:31:08,289 --> 00:31:04,910
were crazy I said that man is dead

612
00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:08,299
he failed from the top but the Kemper

613
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:10,280
Arena for god sakes how was he gonna

614
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:13,010
survive that and the person felt like it

615
00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:15,260
small fluid in a snake's belly and I was

616
00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:17,030
glad that they did because maybe they

617
00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:18,580
knew people need to break up that

618
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:21,559
wrestling is entertainment but there's a

619
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,110
sincere danger when you get in them

620
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:26,960
ropes well you know what am i what am i

621
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:30,860
one of my favorite all-time at matches

622
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:32,360
and you talk about falling from a great

623
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:39,530
height was Cactus Jack behind fighting

624
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:42,289
fighting a cage cage match with the

625
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,970
Undertaker that guy is supposed to yeah

626
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:49,700
most of our listeners I guess if they

627
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,049
follow the wrestling have seen cage

628
00:31:56,169 --> 00:31:53,630
matches I mean it's been under a TV and

629
00:31:59,620 --> 00:31:56,179
all they climbed to the top of the the

630
00:32:04,149 --> 00:31:59,630
cage and jump you know jump down on each

631
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:04,159
other and occasionally the the the cage

632
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:06,049
will a collapse of the roof will give in

633
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:10,190
and mankind went from the top of the the

634
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:12,370
cage right down onto the announcers

635
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:17,690
table and smash what what a match that

636
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:20,780
was I watched it actually on YouTube

637
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:24,470
recently yeah but anyway I remember

638
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:28,870
going well no I we want to get into the

639
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:33,049
the paranormal in the UFOs I mean you

640
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:36,169
know you sent me these these photographs

641
00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:40,970
which were formations of objects or

642
00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:43,700
lights in the in the sky tell me a

643
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:47,960
little bit about your UFO activities and

644
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:51,110
research into the topic okay

645
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:54,800
well the first of all one of the photos

646
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:56,390
I mean let me touch on that then I'll

647
00:33:01,360 --> 00:32:57,920
tell you about that we suggest yes this

648
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:01,370
is another gust at Georgia right yeah it

649
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,620
was actually in a town called Grove town

650
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,360
which is a part of Augusta it's kind of

651
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:08,720
like Tucker is to Atlanta oh it's just a

652
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:11,210
little area outside we all considered

653
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:14,270
Augusta it was a triangle and it was the

654
00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:17,150
classic tr-3b that you hear about if you

655
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:20,560
can do it and it's like a triangle

656
00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:22,730
aircraft that belongs to the United

657
00:33:28,150 --> 00:33:24,560
States Air Force which is part of

658
00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:28,160
project solar warden which is president

659
00:33:32,770 --> 00:33:30,260
Trump's space force he's now talking

660
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:32,780
about they're finally bringing this to

661
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:34,370
the forefront

662
00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:36,500
I knew about solar warden about ten

663
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:40,160
years ago blue gary mckinnon the story

664
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:43,130
bro yes he had masters computers he was

665
00:33:47,290 --> 00:33:44,870
arrested in england but they dropped the

666
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:47,300
charges well that's the way I see it is

667
00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:52,220
if he really um was in trouble if they

668
00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:53,870
really wanted to do something they could

669
00:33:58,510 --> 00:33:56,840
but they dropped the charges and the way

670
00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:58,520
I see it is they dropped the charges

671
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:00,470
against me because whatever he found

672
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:02,210
would have been evidence at a trial

673
00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:03,890
they didn't wanted to come out so what

674
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:05,750
do you do you drop the charges just

675
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:08,810
create a kid project solar warden you

676
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:11,600
followed you excuse me the UFO community

677
00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:13,220
has known about like I said for at least

678
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:15,830
the past ten years more and it's a

679
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:17,720
secret space program he's probably her

680
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:20,750
to call the secret space program because

681
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:22,910
it's technically top-secret it's

682
00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:26,270
starting to be disclosed now but we have

683
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:30,140
a secret space program that SpaceX and

684
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:32,530
Bigelow Aerospace is working with NASA

685
00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:35,270
now here's where the rubber meets the

686
00:34:39,670 --> 00:34:36,400
road

687
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,680
it is believed by some and it has been

688
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,800
said by some that allegedly there is an

689
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:45,200
alien race known as the Nordics that are

690
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:47,450
wrapped up in this know that now that I

691
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:49,790
don't know I can only tell you that's

692
00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:52,850
what people have been alleging I want to

693
00:34:58,210 --> 00:34:55,550
be clear on that but it is definitely a

694
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,220
secret space program and when I say

695
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,560
secret is just not totally disclosed yet

696
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:01,760
the president Crump

697
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:04,280
it's starting towards that towards that

698
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:06,230
now as a triangle that was over

699
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:08,930
Grovetown is baby is the tr-3b it's a

700
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:11,420
part of that program it's like a step up

701
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:16,250
and stuff that's what we believe I've

702
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:18,410
always I've always question though why

703
00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:21,980
would a craft that's part of some secret

704
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:25,460
promise space program appear over a

705
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:28,430
little town like that I mean what what

706
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:31,700
is the I'm so glad your purpose yes I'm

707
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:34,970
so glad you asked because in society

708
00:35:41,319 --> 00:35:37,970
because of Hollywood in television if

709
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:41,329
you say the word UFO hypothetically if

710
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,310
you and I are sitting at a diner and

711
00:35:48,339 --> 00:35:44,960
we're having a conversation I say hey

712
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:48,349
Jim I saw a UFO last night somebody and

713
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:49,940
the other booth didn't hear that they

714
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,599
heard me say alien spaceship because in

715
00:35:59,020 --> 00:35:56,480
society those three letters means alien

716
00:36:02,349 --> 00:35:59,030
but what we have to realize is these

717
00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:02,359
days a UFO is just that means or

718
00:36:06,849 --> 00:36:05,030
something fun identified and if it's fun

719
00:36:10,329 --> 00:36:06,859
identified you can't see what the heck

720
00:36:14,349 --> 00:36:10,339
of it but you are correctly correct but

721
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:14,359
I but I will say this sir in 1947 when

722
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:17,000
people saw UFOs we didn't have anything

723
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:20,780
advanced those days it's a different

724
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:23,930
ballgame if you read me but these days

725
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:26,390
you can't say what it is it's either us

726
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:29,690
or them I think it's a 50/50 proposition

727
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:32,450
but I don't know sorry when you're

728
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,890
standing on the ground and you see

729
00:36:38,050 --> 00:36:34,880
something in the sky you don't

730
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:38,060
understand it's unidentified you can't

731
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:41,210
say either way somebody making homework

732
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:44,750
well you know I always thought that if

733
00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:46,430
you go back and you study the early

734
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:48,349
history of the UFO a movement and we've

735
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:50,180
talked about this on the air there

736
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:54,050
seemed to be an attempt by the the

737
00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:56,440
authorities and the various UFO

738
00:37:01,180 --> 00:36:58,940
researchers who had their own private

739
00:37:06,579 --> 00:37:01,190
organizations to push the

740
00:37:10,359 --> 00:37:06,589
extra-terrestrial theory the ETH as we

741
00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:10,369
as we call it because they were probably

742
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:12,680
or at least some of them were trying to

743
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:15,530
divert attention away from

744
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:17,690
what was really happening now my own

745
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:20,020
opinion on this is that a lot of the

746
00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:23,510
like the early UFO crashes and UFO

747
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:28,550
incidents involved craft that were being

748
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,370
test flown by either the US government

749
00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:34,400
or engineers that have been brought over

750
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:38,060
as a part of Project Paperclip the the

751
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:39,530
where they were bringing the the

752
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:42,050
scientists and the engineers a lot of

753
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:45,230
them war criminals over from a Germany

754
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:48,680
to work on the early space program well

755
00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:51,770
I think that yes

756
00:38:00,430 --> 00:37:57,140
yeah the UFO about the early space

757
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:00,440
program went into two directions one

758
00:38:08,110 --> 00:38:03,770
father was the v2 uh you know a rocket

759
00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:08,120
the more so-called conventional rocketry

760
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:11,620
program and then some followed at either

761
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:18,350
anti-gravity or some other form of space

762
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:21,500
travel which we were not informed about

763
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:24,350
that the use of particularly test were

764
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:27,380
being kept under wraps and I'm not sure

765
00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:30,110
if very many people in the government

766
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,520
actually even knew what was going on and

767
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:37,040
it could have also involved some form of

768
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:40,880
a time travel it is possible that the

769
00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:44,660
the journey the Germans discovered the

770
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:47,480
secret to time travel and you know they

771
00:38:53,470 --> 00:38:49,250
were in touch with these what you called

772
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:53,480
Nordic aliens and they say well there

773
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:56,930
was yes I'm sorry but they were

774
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:00,800
allegedly a list they were allegedly in

775
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:03,950
and in touch with a race of beings known

776
00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:05,990
as the area yeah

777
00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:08,660
now where have you heard the term aryan

778
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:11,840
before you've heard the term aryan

779
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:15,440
during World War two when Hitler wanted

780
00:39:23,620 --> 00:39:19,730
to create an Aryan race remember exactly

781
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:23,630
blond-headed blond-headed yup scene

782
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:25,880
you've probably seen the posters of the

783
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,090
blond-headed male or flee el by the

784
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:32,460
well that's where he got that from

785
00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:33,690
allegedly

786
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:38,100
now you're talking about Roswell the

787
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:41,420
most famous UFO case in our country and

788
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:44,220
everyone has said oh my goodness it's a

789
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:45,660
weather balloon they proved it's a

790
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:47,820
weather balloon that's bought a lot of

791
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:51,150
people don't really know what how things

792
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:53,160
went down and Roz were a far as major

793
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,910
Jesse Marcel was concerned and major

794
00:40:02,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Marcel when he was called to the

795
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:02,370
sheriff's office to look at some debris

796
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:05,430
that a gentleman named Mac Brazel Brazel

797
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:07,620
took to the sheriff's office major

798
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:10,680
Marcel right then was not looking at a

799
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,060
little more he was looking at metal so

800
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,280
this crap about it being a weather

801
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:20,190
balloon is bull okay so when major

802
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,110
Marcel goes out and he sees all this

803
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:24,000
metal across this man's field he

804
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,850
commonly seen this not a weather balloon

805
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:28,800
major Marcel even say right before he

806
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:30,390
passed he was a part of the cover-up but

807
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:34,950
he was forced into it you know so so

808
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:37,110
what would that so what was it well on

809
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,600
July the 4th in Roswell there was a

810
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:42,780
major electrical storm very very bad

811
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,510
thunderstorm now it's July before is a

812
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:48,540
federal holiday it's Independence Day so

813
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:50,310
what the holiday they wouldn't have been

814
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:52,200
testing anything on July the 4th number

815
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:53,400
one and number two in the weather

816
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:54,990
condition we wouldn't been testing

817
00:41:03,470 --> 00:40:58,710
nothing so what now is that disqualify

818
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:03,480
us the who could have belonged to there

819
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:07,410
you go I know well I would also say that

820
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:12,870
if there was still a Nazi influence that

821
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:18,330
they would pick July a 4th as a as a

822
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:22,050
date to send up a device such as this to

823
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:26,250
prove that they were still mighty and

824
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,880
and and and strong and ahead of us in

825
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:32,010
the in the space Department I mean it's

826
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,080
just it's just it's just a theory an

827
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:37,020
idea but it seems to it seems so tie in

828
00:41:42,850 --> 00:41:41,670
now Donny annuity and any sightings of

829
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:42,860
your own

830
00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:47,750
oh yeah yeah I had one here just here

831
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:49,460
just recently and I believe I forwarded

832
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,170
you the picture we had a full moon here

833
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:53,870
in town and there was a round dot below

834
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,090
it and I didn't know what it was I took

835
00:42:00,460 --> 00:41:58,880
a picture of it and I'm theorizing it

836
00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:00,470
was Nibiru but I mean honestly I don't

837
00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:02,360
know because when I was out I saw the

838
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:04,340
planet Venus towards the right towards

839
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:06,200
the left is where the full moon was and

840
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:08,150
there was that round dot I'm thinking

841
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:10,070
okay stars and not that doors or what

842
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:11,360
the heck is that it's got to be

843
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:12,950
something there's something up there but

844
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:14,570
I don't know what you know it's template

845
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:16,220
once it moved was it what was it moved

846
00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:18,980
moving moving or circling about no no

847
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,860
sir no sir it was stationary stationary

848
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:24,170
and I stared at it might we'll start

849
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:26,180
easily brighter them that let me snap a

850
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:29,510
picture of it you know um and still to

851
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,730
this moment I don't know what it was I

852
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:33,710
mean and I may never know but it's just

853
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:35,000
something that wasn't there was I

854
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:39,800
unidentified the all of the other UFO

855
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:41,990
sightings around here have been reported

856
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:44,540
to me except for the two pictures I sent

857
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:47,390
you of the route of the oval craft with

858
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:49,070
the contrail coming out the back during

859
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:51,830
the day and they like the diamond-shaped

860
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:54,710
and not I witnessed those two they were

861
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,010
right here over Augusta I'm like and

862
00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:00,800
YouTube has videos of other people that

863
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:02,300
I've never met that are posting stuff

864
00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:04,910
about Augusta and their videos and I've

865
00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:07,700
seen them and one is on Broad Street and

866
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:09,260
I can't remember the year it was summer

867
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:11,060
in like the 90s I think and it was like

868
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,890
seven or eight orbs of mind I'm like

869
00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:14,720
okay I know where that I know where they

870
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:16,430
took that video but while I didn't know

871
00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:21,290
about that event now I think do you know

872
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:24,920
where any of these reports did they get

873
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,250
any paper newspaper attaching anything

874
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:31,550
in the media radio TV yeah and president

875
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:35,930
yeah yeah we the signing from September

876
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:38,780
of 2017 I was on the local news here in

877
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:42,890
reference to it and fewer website yes I

878
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:45,110
was and I had to link out for tea tea

879
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:50,690
tomorrow and the several websites on the

880
00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:52,850
internet picked up the story and did

881
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:54,680
their own story about it you know ladies

882
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:56,099
UFOs

883
00:44:01,699 --> 00:43:58,650
dot-com and George filer and all these

884
00:44:03,979 --> 00:44:01,709
other sites George because ooh yeah

885
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:03,989
because it was a classic triangle and it

886
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:07,049
was the classic tr-3b and once again so

887
00:44:09,709 --> 00:44:08,489
rewarding they're going to properly I

888
00:44:12,469 --> 00:44:09,719
think that's why they didn't in there

889
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,479
such an obvious then if that's what it

890
00:44:15,769 --> 00:44:14,099
is because it's got four lights on in

891
00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:15,779
this guy's three got one on each in

892
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:17,009
which is three and in the one in the

893
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,579
middle and if you look at any and

894
00:44:25,999 --> 00:44:23,119
normally and normally very silent oh

895
00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:26,009
very filing because the antigravity can

896
00:44:31,099 --> 00:44:27,719
hover that's what the antigravity they

897
00:44:32,779 --> 00:44:31,109
do in comparison to a helicopter that's

898
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:32,789
height no it's not a helicopter because

899
00:44:38,839 --> 00:44:35,430
you don't hear it on the antigravity

900
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:38,849
makes it move really really slow or

901
00:44:44,029 --> 00:44:41,670
still and that's when you would drive

902
00:44:45,699 --> 00:44:44,039
it's what you were trying to explain why

903
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:45,709
you thought though that they might be

904
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,079
testing it over the small communities

905
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,380
like this oh yeah absolutely no you take

906
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:54,839
it tr-3b it's flying over a small area a

907
00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:56,390
small community okay

908
00:45:02,509 --> 00:45:00,089
it's a reconnaissance vehicle means

909
00:45:04,279 --> 00:45:02,519
they're there they're patrolling or

910
00:45:06,949 --> 00:45:04,289
looking for something that's what I get

911
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:06,959
from that so I'm thinking the tr-3b if

912
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:08,430
it's flying over now these have been

913
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,619
seeing all the United States but they're

914
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,079
flying over a small community why would

915
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:15,359
that are they patrolling because the

916
00:45:19,729 --> 00:45:16,890
police departments can't well I don't

917
00:45:22,099 --> 00:45:19,739
think that's it I think the NSA is tired

918
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:22,109
of him and what I think is what they're

919
00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:24,420
doing there's a technology aboard these

920
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:28,109
craft they can tell what your talk to

921
00:45:32,209 --> 00:45:29,670
you talking to homeless on your cell

922
00:45:36,140 --> 00:45:32,219
phone on your computer they have a way

923
00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:36,150
to Edward Snowden it and if you will to

924
00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:38,369
spot her now

925
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,289
here's my thing if they're doing it for

926
00:45:47,029 --> 00:45:42,119
the good of the country I hate to say it

927
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:47,039
but with terrorism maybe they have to do

928
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:49,799
the extreme to protect the country but I

929
00:45:54,439 --> 00:45:52,109
think that's what's going on of course I

930
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:54,449
don't know but I mean that's just a

931
00:45:59,209 --> 00:45:56,910
thought because why would they be a very

932
00:46:02,449 --> 00:45:59,219
small community unless they're just

933
00:46:04,489 --> 00:46:02,459
trying to drum up a USO report knowing

934
00:46:07,279 --> 00:46:04,499
that people are gonna think a UFO is

935
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:07,289
alien you know I mean so yeah I don't

936
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:08,339
think they're gonna I think there are

937
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:09,420
many yet I

938
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:11,010
I don't think there many terrorists in

939
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,790
your neck of the the woods now I have

940
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:17,760
heard of some cases from people that

941
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:22,050
live down along the the Mexican border

942
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:26,310
and into Arizona that they have had what

943
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:28,290
would have been described it's more like

944
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:29,160
dirigibles

945
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:33,950
type of crafts that hover up above

946
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:38,940
keeping and tabs on smugglers and drug

947
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,670
dealers and all but I mean I hate to say

948
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:43,740
this but I don't think that stops

949
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:45,450
anybody because they're digging their

950
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:47,310
digging tunnels if they can't get

951
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:51,060
through by any other means I mean the

952
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,620
only rate of your trip

953
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,720
the only way to prevent a drug

954
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:57,240
trafficking is to make as much of it as

955
00:47:02,000 --> 00:46:59,880
possible legal and let the people decide

956
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:02,010
what the heck it is they want to do you

957
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:04,470
know themselves I totally agree

958
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,230
I told me Harry and not to touch on

959
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:09,000
anything that the president is doing now

960
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:11,310
but he misses building a wall with all

961
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:13,470
due respect to that idea if you build a

962
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:14,730
wall that's not gonna keep people are

963
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:17,400
they're gonna find out absolutely not

964
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:20,550
you know honey if you took that money

965
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:23,100
and spend it on something you know there

966
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,150
was worthwhile to humanity

967
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:28,740
then it would be it would be ceiling

968
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,290
positive you know you got it yeah this

969
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:33,420
one yeah that's what I mean I mean yeah

970
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:37,010
that's what I mean like it like right if

971
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,220
his theory if he build a wall you'll

972
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,920
keep people in or out that's that's not

973
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:46,020
gonna stop somehow they're gonna find a

974
00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:51,510
way so it's not you people have

975
00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:55,320
airplanes and they got if the Japanese

976
00:48:00,920 --> 00:47:58,320
could send over the so called the the

977
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:00,930
balloons that may or may not have been

978
00:48:05,810 --> 00:48:03,290
responsible for some of the UFO scares

979
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:05,820
you know during the latter part of the

980
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:08,370
war they certainly send I mean you know

981
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,460
it drove everybody has a drone today I'm

982
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:12,720
the only person that doesn't have a

983
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:16,410
drone I think anyway we're doing over at

984
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,090
the halfway point and we'll be back in a

985
00:48:21,850 --> 00:48:20,640
few minutes with more of exploring the

986
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:21,860
bizarre

987
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:23,230
yeah

988
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:38,420
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

989
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,089
ride into the world of the paranoid

990
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:44,400
strap yourself in as we traverse the

991
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:48,680
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

992
00:48:57,289 --> 00:48:53,130
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

993
00:49:01,789 --> 00:48:57,299
as well as other dimensions it's time to

994
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:01,799
take back the night now your

995
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:04,049
electrifying hosts of exploring the

996
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:13,910
swear there I turned my back and they're

997
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,130
trying to sucker punch me these guests

998
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:19,680
tonight there they're not not to be

999
00:49:22,759 --> 00:49:20,609
trusted

1000
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:22,769
I I don't know who I could it could use

1001
00:49:31,549 --> 00:49:27,529
for a tag-team partner here mankind is

1002
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:31,559
retired and and Steve Austin is too busy

1003
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:34,680
doing movies I my goodness I guess I'm

1004
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:37,380
gonna have to take on everybody by

1005
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:39,960
myself but then I'm such an athletic

1006
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:42,710
type and a weightlifter and a

1007
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:46,529
bodybuilder yeah sure how can I fool

1008
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:49,049
that uh anyway we're back with our guest

1009
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,660
and it's bra a sling a night so be

1010
00:50:00,529 --> 00:49:56,839
prepared to be thrown over the

1011
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:00,539
paranormal ropes and we have a question

1012
00:50:09,769 --> 00:50:05,339
from Bambi and fat she wants to know has

1013
00:50:12,769 --> 00:50:09,779
anyone here been in touch with Vivian

1014
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:12,779
since she passed away and you know

1015
00:50:19,539 --> 00:50:16,859
something Bambi yes the answer is at

1016
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:19,549
least I believe yes and it happened just

1017
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:22,920
today now anybody who listens to

1018
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:26,609
exploring the bizarre on eight cor radio

1019
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,599
or watches are a youtuber show a mr. UFO

1020
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:33,359
secret files will know that I have had

1021
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:37,890
more synchronicities in my life than the

1022
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:41,700
king of Egypt I don't know let's just

1023
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:45,720
pick someplace that at random in fact

1024
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:47,730
there there is a 405

1025
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,090
the page book out that I wrote it's the

1026
00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:53,130
matrix of philip k dick and the

1027
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,560
synchronicities of Tim Beck way and I'm

1028
00:51:00,500 --> 00:50:58,380
not just talking about people calling

1029
00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:00,510
you know like you're thinking of

1030
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:01,800
somebody and they call on the telephone

1031
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:04,859
the next day that's that to me is not

1032
00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:06,570
even worth where they ever mentioned

1033
00:51:10,099 --> 00:51:07,830
those that have heard me on this program

1034
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,109
or other programs know that some of

1035
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:12,540
these synchronicities are just totally

1036
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,850
out of control

1037
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:17,520
well I've got a synchronicity for you

1038
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:21,030
that is totally out of control and I do

1039
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:25,640
believe a peruse or is evidential

1040
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:29,640
evidential that Vivian or a lady Suzanne

1041
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:37,430
these synchronicities you know I haven't

1042
00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:39,210
had one in a while and I was just

1043
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:41,660
thinking last night I said to myself

1044
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,690
where have all the synchronicities god

1045
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:48,000
it's been well maybe two or three months

1046
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:51,240
since something if some coincidence has

1047
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:55,410
happened that is beyond the pale well

1048
00:52:05,590 --> 00:51:58,859
today I had a doctor's appointment at

1049
00:52:08,330 --> 00:52:05,600
the NYU hospital and I printed out the

1050
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:08,340
appointment a sheet that tells you who

1051
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:09,840
you're going to see in what building you

1052
00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:12,270
have to go to in the office and so forth

1053
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:16,040
now I've only been to see this doctor

1054
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:20,550
one time and I know her by her last name

1055
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:22,920
I never knew what her first name was and

1056
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:25,590
I didn't really in inquiring it wasn't

1057
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:28,050
important well I print this out on my a

1058
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:30,630
little of the Hewlett Packard printer

1059
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:34,530
here and in bold type it says across the

1060
00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:37,830
top of the page follow-up appointment

1061
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:40,790
with Vivian dot dot dot

1062
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:44,220
well if tonight is not a follow-up

1063
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:47,580
appointment with Vivian I don't know

1064
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:50,190
what is so I I do believe that there is

1065
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:52,790
a good chance that she might be

1066
00:52:59,330 --> 00:52:56,670
listening to the program and since she

1067
00:53:00,780 --> 00:52:59,340
was a Luciferian perhaps we should all

1068
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:00,790
be on our worst

1069
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:03,700
maybe the heel will rot the heel will

1070
00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:08,470
rise to the top the ceiling anyway this

1071
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:10,660
is a this is a great show and one that

1072
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:14,380
I've looked forward to doing for a long

1073
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:17,650
time you know we mix the parent to

1074
00:53:24,270 --> 00:53:19,780
paranormal in UFOs is something that

1075
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:24,280
anybody can be into it crosses all kind

1076
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:25,450
of demographics

1077
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:28,270
I mean rich people poor people famous

1078
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,210
people your average guy in the street it

1079
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:33,040
doesn't matter whether they live in in

1080
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,240
Phoenix Arizona or Timbuktu there are

1081
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:40,020
UFOs out there and the people are having

1082
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:44,920
strange experiences all the time anyway

1083
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,290
that's my synchronicity with concerning

1084
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:52,720
Vivian and both of our guests wanted to

1085
00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:55,750
know if Bambi there in the chat room was

1086
00:54:03,330 --> 00:53:58,660
the famous wrestler of the same name so

1087
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:03,340
perhaps yeah yeah possibly it is and so

1088
00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:05,710
chat back to that effect everybody back

1089
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,480
to their corner because we're on our

1090
00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:09,940
last break and we'll be back in just a

1091
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:13,120
few minutes with more of exploring the

1092
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:27,220
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1093
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:29,810
two of the most electrifying researchers

1094
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:33,110
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1095
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:44,240
Lee and to smash in the arena

1096
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:49,340
can i chime in and say something I've

1097
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:50,990
got my hand raised brother I swear to

1098
00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:55,090
God I bet are you are you a referee

1099
00:55:01,150 --> 00:54:57,860
hell no angle damn referee out referee

1100
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,160
well with with with you and your other

1101
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:03,200
partner Tim heaven you're sure and I

1102
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:04,610
know the Tim Gunn here and there to

1103
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,010
co-host your show you know you guys are

1104
00:55:11,110 --> 00:55:08,960
TNT there's been a hell of a lot of

1105
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:11,120
dynamite on this show tonight oh yeah

1106
00:55:19,290 --> 00:55:15,320
and you you UFOs are such okay and a

1107
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:19,300
better topic and especially with what

1108
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:22,910
the UFO subject how it killed John

1109
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:26,030
Kennedy and that's the subject a lot of

1110
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:28,430
people don't even know about or don't

1111
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:32,230
talk about okay now you say that UFOs

1112
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:35,750
were responsible for killing Kennedy the

1113
00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:39,550
subject the subject of the US okay

1114
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:42,860
explain explain to the listeners how

1115
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:46,970
that is yeah okay well in 1947 we all

1116
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:48,800
know that the Roswell event happened

1117
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,500
okay and what some people may not

1118
00:55:54,970 --> 00:55:53,360
realize and I have the documents and if

1119
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:54,980
someone reaches out to me I'm happy to

1120
00:56:00,160 --> 00:55:57,290
forward them to them but there was a

1121
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:00,170
group moon appointed by Harry Truman

1122
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:03,190
President Truman a group called mj-12

1123
00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:07,910
majestic 12 the majestic 12 group was

1124
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:12,020
clipped in order and I'm trying to think

1125
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:13,490
about the best way to say this they were

1126
00:56:21,250 --> 00:56:18,470
in charge of all of the UFO and / alien

1127
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:21,260
Intel that our country collected now

1128
00:56:27,610 --> 00:56:24,520
basically what that meant was if we had

1129
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:27,620
technologies that works as they were in

1130
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:30,110
charge of getting them figured out

1131
00:56:35,590 --> 00:56:32,690
basically if they we were going to use

1132
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:35,600
their that technology which we have been

1133
00:56:38,260 --> 00:56:36,410
back engineer

1134
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:38,270
that's why we got project solar warden

1135
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:40,460
today but that's we don't have time to

1136
00:56:47,830 --> 00:56:44,210
get into how but John Kennedy so I had a

1137
00:56:50,290 --> 00:56:47,840
UFO sighting when he was in Hyannisport

1138
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:50,300
he was on his boat and the story goes

1139
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:53,510
that he saw the UFO with mrs. Kennedy

1140
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:55,430
and some other individuals I'm sure

1141
00:57:00,760 --> 00:56:58,250
Secret Service and staff members but he

1142
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:00,770
basically told everyone keep your mouth

1143
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,070
shut

1144
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:03,440
we didn't see anything and then JFK

1145
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:06,760
started looking into the u.s. everything

1146
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:09,740
the subject and he sent a letter to the

1147
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:13,100
CIA requesting information now if you

1148
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:15,050
knew anything about JFK basically you

1149
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:16,850
know you should know that his Secret

1150
00:57:23,830 --> 00:57:20,740
Service code name Worth Lancer and

1151
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:23,840
there's a document that it exists that

1152
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:26,650
people say is fake but I think it's real

1153
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:29,870
it's giving basically giving the order

1154
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:32,090
to assassinate Johnson because he wanted

1155
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:34,760
to share or it's believed that he wanted

1156
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:38,870
to share Intel with the Russians and

1157
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,570
that's something that evidently they

1158
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:43,520
couldn't let out so evidently that tells

1159
00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:46,910
me there's something so sensitive tied

1160
00:57:52,930 --> 00:57:49,160
up with the USS subject that they were

1161
00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:52,940
willing to kill the president and Tim I

1162
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:55,100
think I forward you forwarded you those

1163
00:58:00,100 --> 00:57:58,220
documents I've gone I will own but

1164
00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:00,110
that's where it started now Lyndon

1165
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:02,420
Johnson like I said he did benefit from

1166
00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:04,130
it but it all started with inject work

1167
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:08,390
so the subject matter is tied up in the

1168
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:14,200
Kennedy assassination what is tied up

1169
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,760
with the subject yes well well we know

1170
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:22,400
we know that his brother Robert Kennedy

1171
00:58:28,570 --> 00:58:25,850
was very much interested in the subject

1172
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:28,580
in fact uh I have in my files a letter

1173
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:31,580
that he wrote to my first publisher

1174
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:34,100
actually gray Barker who wrote the book

1175
00:58:38,770 --> 00:58:36,530
they knew about flying saucers about the

1176
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:38,780
that was the original men in black story

1177
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:42,830
and Robert Kennedy said in this letter

1178
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:44,510
to pray that he was very much interested

1179
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:47,990
in UFOs and extraterrestrials and and so

1180
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:50,280
forth and that he was

1181
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,060
a card-carrying member of the

1182
00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:55,680
amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of

1183
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:56,670
America

1184
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:02,040
now a FCA Malmedy fly soca

1185
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:05,210
Gabriel green was the president of that

1186
00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:09,210
particular group he lived down in Joshua

1187
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:12,440
Tree in California near the desert and

1188
00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:17,070
actually ran against Robert Kennedy for

1189
00:59:27,350 --> 00:59:23,540
the Senate seat in California the space

1190
00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:27,360
program taken her subjects back and he

1191
00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:29,340
actually got about a hundred and seventy

1192
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:35,070
five thousand votes so he did he he was

1193
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:38,030
a figure to contend with and not only

1194
00:59:45,830 --> 00:59:42,240
did he run this UFO a group but he

1195
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:45,840
claimed to have had UFO contacts in

1196
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:49,140
himself of course now a lot of

1197
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:51,510
presidents uh Donny and our other guests

1198
01:00:00,020 --> 00:59:55,680
as well have had some perhaps a little

1199
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:00,030
bit of shady dealings with the some a

1200
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:02,070
little bit more forthright than others

1201
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:06,090
with the UFO a subject you need to be

1202
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:08,970
Carter of course had a sighting down in

1203
01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,500
down in Georgia Plains boy yeah yeah in

1204
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:15,780
fact it's very interesting you know we

1205
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:17,640
hear about his report I think they were

1206
01:00:22,790 --> 01:00:21,330
outside of the Alliance Club meeting the

1207
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:22,800
hall or something that night and they

1208
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:24,990
appointed at these a couple of objects

1209
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:27,390
in the sky in a Jimmy admitted that he

1210
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:29,910
had no explanation for him well later on

1211
01:00:35,570 --> 01:00:32,880
the the hardcore skeptics came out and

1212
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:35,580
said well they were nothing more than

1213
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:37,890
the the planet Venus or some other stars

1214
01:00:43,850 --> 01:00:40,170
and so forth well I did a little bit of

1215
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:43,860
checking Donny on this and it turns out

1216
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:46,440
that there had been other sightings in

1217
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:49,020
this particular point was it Plains

1218
01:00:54,550 --> 01:00:52,230
Plains Georgia point Plains yep Plains

1219
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:54,560
Georgia there had been other sightings

1220
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:58,500
there around the same time maybe a few

1221
01:01:03,859 --> 01:01:01,980
days or a week in advance including an

1222
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:03,869
object I guess that had been seen

1223
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:07,950
mean to have a landed somewhere outside

1224
01:01:18,579 --> 01:01:13,740
of town so this would seem to add a

1225
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,589
little bit of weight to Carter's

1226
01:01:24,489 --> 01:01:21,599
sighting and it's being a little bit

1227
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:24,499
more than the plate of Venus perhaps and

1228
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:28,920
another time he was in the in Panama and

1229
01:01:33,859 --> 01:01:30,450
he was taken

1230
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,869
taking off after a some sort of meeting

1231
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:36,380
in there and he said his helicopter and

1232
01:01:43,849 --> 01:01:39,210
not too far away from the helicopter is

1233
01:01:46,579 --> 01:01:43,859
a UFO in the sky and now the photograph

1234
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,589
and I talked to the lady who who took it

1235
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:49,200
I don't remember her name or anything

1236
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:51,230
although it's detailed in one of my

1237
01:01:59,359 --> 01:01:56,460
special reports sent a copy I guess they

1238
01:02:00,980 --> 01:01:59,369
would it to Carter to see if maybe you'd

1239
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:00,990
seen anything I would verify it

1240
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:02,970
and I don't think he ever got back to

1241
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:04,680
her outside of maybe thanking her for

1242
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:08,099
the photograph but the picture is in the

1243
01:02:15,249 --> 01:02:12,680
Carter a library with I don't think any

1244
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:15,259
explanation for it it just says simply

1245
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:17,460
you know UFOs

1246
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,089
now I got mixed up in a presidential UFO

1247
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:26,400
situation just recently there is a

1248
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:30,470
magazine out of England called 14 times

1249
01:02:37,539 --> 01:02:34,920
named after Lee yeah the great Charles

1250
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:37,549
Ford who was the grandfather of the

1251
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:40,170
supernatural and the paranormal he spent

1252
01:02:46,729 --> 01:02:44,430
most of his life in the library going

1253
01:02:51,259 --> 01:02:46,739
through the scientific papers and old

1254
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,269
news clippings getting at UFO stories

1255
01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:54,799
and in just odd things the Falls of

1256
01:03:02,029 --> 01:02:57,390
objects from the sky such as ice and

1257
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:02,039
fish and frogs and God knows what else

1258
01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:04,529
anyway the 14 times his British magazine

1259
01:03:09,229 --> 01:03:07,230
is named after him well there's a story

1260
01:03:14,019 --> 01:03:09,239
in the current issue on the cover is a

1261
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:14,029
very colorful adaptation painting of

1262
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:17,680
Richard Nixon and the great

1263
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:20,950
comedian Jackie Gleason who of course is

1264
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:23,500
law I know this story yeah yeah okay a

1265
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:27,250
start in the TV series the honeymooners

1266
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:31,150
and and and the story goes which somehow

1267
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:33,820
I'm getting getting a credit for is if I

1268
01:03:40,170 --> 01:03:36,610
had made it up myself and was promoting

1269
01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:40,180
it I simply just you know I came up with

1270
01:03:45,390 --> 01:03:41,950
the the sources and what other people

1271
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:45,400
told me in and quoted them accordingly

1272
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:47,530
that one night Jackie Gleason after they

1273
01:03:52,050 --> 01:03:50,410
hit he had played 18 holes of golf with

1274
01:03:55,350 --> 01:03:52,060
the president makes it apparently they

1275
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:55,360
were golfing buddies Nixon showed up at

1276
01:04:00,620 --> 01:03:57,490
his home one night knocked on the door

1277
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:00,630
like it midnight took him out to the

1278
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:02,970
local air force base which i think is

1279
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:05,950
Andrews there in Florida they passed the

1280
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:08,890
security guards yeah before they they

1281
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:11,040
passed the security guards because they

1282
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:15,730
recognized the president which I kind of

1283
01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:17,260
find difficult for me but that's the

1284
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:20,350
story and Nixon according to this

1285
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:23,650
account told my Jackie Gleason's ex-wife

1286
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:26,830
by the way it was taken to a back hangar

1287
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:29,080
and escorted inside by the President and

1288
01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:33,490
taken over to a deep freezer of some

1289
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:36,040
sort opened it up and there inside was

1290
01:04:41,970 --> 01:04:39,940
at least one if not more alien bodies

1291
01:04:46,110 --> 01:04:41,980
supposedly from Roswell or from some

1292
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,120
other UFO crash well the story has been

1293
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:48,540
repeated many times it's all over the

1294
01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:52,290
internet there's there's no real way of

1295
01:04:58,290 --> 01:04:55,960
proving it or disproving it Jackie

1296
01:05:01,770 --> 01:04:58,300
Gleason the courses long the deceased

1297
01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:01,780
and Richard Nixon of course is no longer

1298
01:05:05,550 --> 01:05:03,040
with us either

1299
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:05,560
and whatever Nixon said towards the

1300
01:05:11,070 --> 01:05:07,750
latter days of his life I don't know if

1301
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:11,080
anybody would accept it or not but there

1302
01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:13,390
are a lot of celebrities who have had a

1303
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:16,390
UFO experiences and Jackie Gleason was a

1304
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:20,200
big fan of the subject he used to appear

1305
01:05:26,970 --> 01:05:24,520
as a guest in the wee hours on wor radio

1306
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:26,980
in New York on the Long John double show

1307
01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:30,400
and he has quite a paranormal collection

1308
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:31,480
in fact as a you

1309
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:33,850
he ordered some of my first book sent me

1310
01:05:39,090 --> 01:05:35,890
a check on his land this letterhead and

1311
01:05:40,740 --> 01:05:39,100
so forth and has a quite a collection

1312
01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:40,750
that you can find in the University of

1313
01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:43,960
Miami of well over a thousand books and

1314
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:47,560
personal papers on the subject so people

1315
01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:49,690
from all walks of life presidents and

1316
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:53,080
non presidents and and entertainers have

1317
01:06:02,670 --> 01:05:58,240
had UFO experiences no doubt about it

1318
01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:02,680
no nice oh you talk about President

1319
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:04,420
Lincoln you're talking about doesn't it

1320
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:07,030
Nixon are you aware of the story of

1321
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:10,900
value or hello of course III okay rank

1322
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:13,210
strange Nixon who was that yeah Megan

1323
01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:15,940
was yeah friend of mine yeah Nixon was

1324
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:18,760
the vice president when Valiant showed

1325
01:06:26,310 --> 01:06:22,110
up so Nixon got into this subject early

1326
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:26,320
as the vice president so Nixon is a lot

1327
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:28,150
that's a that's a court that's according

1328
01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:32,010
to the story again we latter yeah yeah

1329
01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:35,020
yeah yeah well though there recently I

1330
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:37,150
guess you know who Linda Moulton Howe is

1331
01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:40,030
there there's a story and she yeah yeah

1332
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:43,150
there's a story that she told on her or

1333
01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:46,510
maybe on coast to coast about how Nixon

1334
01:06:52,860 --> 01:06:49,180
actually had written a letter and and

1335
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:52,870
stuffs it away somewhere in the a White

1336
01:06:58,770 --> 01:06:55,810
House and and that's supposedly in some

1337
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,780
future date something to do with the

1338
01:07:02,610 --> 01:07:00,640
passing I think of Henry Kissinger but I

1339
01:07:06,090 --> 01:07:02,620
don't have the story you know

1340
01:07:08,340 --> 01:07:06,100
now in fact supposedly the somebody will

1341
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:08,350
find the letter and will reveal that it

1342
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:12,610
deals with an alien you know in invasion

1343
01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:14,770
or so I mean do you do you think if

1344
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:16,840
there are Donny if there are aliens here

1345
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:19,750
that there that are hostile or friendly

1346
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:23,290
or no well first things first

1347
01:07:26,550 --> 01:07:25,030
everybody talks about is some kind of

1348
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:26,560
alien invasion because they're looking

1349
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:29,170
at the movie well let me pay this it's

1350
01:07:35,790 --> 01:07:31,990
already happened in my opinion and this

1351
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:35,800
is what I mean when President Eisenhower

1352
01:07:42,690 --> 01:07:39,850
met with some alleged let me make sure

1353
01:07:43,290 --> 01:07:42,700
it's like this word clearly alleged

1354
01:07:45,570 --> 01:07:43,300
being

1355
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:45,580
at Holloman Air Force Base the treaty

1356
01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:48,400
was made right then that Eisenhower

1357
01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:52,180
would it give them something for

1358
01:07:59,400 --> 01:07:55,990
technology help with technology and

1359
01:08:02,850 --> 01:07:59,410
that's when the abductions phenomena

1360
01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:02,860
started so you have to gather that

1361
01:08:07,380 --> 01:08:05,470
that's what he promised them know why I

1362
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:07,390
don't know of course I don't know but

1363
01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:09,850
there's no way for me to go back in time

1364
01:08:13,410 --> 01:08:11,560
because I can't I'm sorry I won't find

1365
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:13,420
out what's going on but that's the story

1366
01:08:20,340 --> 01:08:17,650
that Laura Eisenhower is telling well I

1367
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:20,350
you know I have to say this but I don't

1368
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,450
even know I don't even know for a fact

1369
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:25,600
that Laura is really related to

1370
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,580
President Eisenhower I don't know

1371
01:08:32,250 --> 01:08:29,640
mm-hmm if that is actually that

1372
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:32,260
substantiated but you know I did want to

1373
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:35,680
mention that Vivian and I we went to a

1374
01:08:42,599 --> 01:08:38,830
couple of times to like oh I think st.

1375
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:42,609
Martin's and help me out here saved um

1376
01:08:47,579 --> 01:08:44,910
what's the other island down there this

1377
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,589
chimera converging islands well of

1378
01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:49,120
course like me in the Mesa

1379
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:53,350
don't you dare a couple of times and we

1380
01:08:56,579 --> 01:08:55,000
would we would spend a you know like a

1381
01:08:59,640 --> 01:08:56,589
couple hours on the beach at night

1382
01:09:05,400 --> 01:08:59,650
looking up in the sky oh and we also

1383
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:05,410
went to the Chichen Itza for they have a

1384
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:07,480
light and sound show and of course

1385
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:09,190
they've had a lot of UFO sightings over

1386
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:11,770
over there you know she was the

1387
01:09:16,829 --> 01:09:14,049
fascinated in the subject but not so

1388
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:16,839
much as with her her magic and all and

1389
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:20,049
she kept you know she did keep a diary

1390
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:24,670
that of of a lot of her experiences and

1391
01:09:28,650 --> 01:09:27,100
stuff did you ever come across that or

1392
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:28,660
see any of her other papers that she

1393
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,810
might have had no actually I haven't

1394
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:33,670
even I didn't even know she had that I

1395
01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:36,100
knew that she liked to write poems yeah

1396
01:09:42,690 --> 01:09:39,069
she she she loved poetry but I didn't

1397
01:09:44,460 --> 01:09:42,700
know about his diary yeah well yeah yeah

1398
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:44,470
boy I don't you know was kind of a

1399
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:48,880
sporadic thing I would I think to some

1400
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:55,090
you know its extent you know I I looked

1401
01:09:58,730 --> 01:09:56,520
at it

1402
01:10:00,980 --> 01:09:58,740
times when I and she would try to

1403
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,990
explain it to me but she was much more

1404
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:02,640
into the map you know the magical

1405
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:06,810
aspects of this then then I was I kind

1406
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:10,170
of fought kind of found it difficult to

1407
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:13,250
follow a lot of the rituals and things

1408
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:17,610
you know like that she did work she did

1409
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:21,690
work at a psychic center in a bookstore

1410
01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:23,250
yeah

1411
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,280
New Age books and things and I remember

1412
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:28,080
there's actually an article that I wrote

1413
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:30,690
there was a guy who came into a Fort

1414
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,320
Lauderdale who had a some kind of light

1415
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:40,320
and sound show that was self-contained

1416
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:43,730
and you put this headset on and

1417
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:47,450
apparently it would alter your

1418
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:51,390
consciousness I mean I tried it and I

1419
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:54,930
didn't quite get the any great sensation

1420
01:11:02,960 --> 01:10:59,760
out of it sort of a flotation tank you

1421
01:11:08,690 --> 01:11:02,970
know without the boat engine flotation

1422
01:11:10,330 --> 01:11:08,700
device but I remember that Vivint you

1423
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:10,340
know she couldn't she couldn't get a

1424
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:13,640
enough of it well I think she was very

1425
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:16,620
sensitized I guess as a lot of psychics

1426
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:19,650
would be too to the other to the other

1427
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:22,620
senses maybe more so than a lot of

1428
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:26,100
people including myself might might be

1429
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:29,550
you know yeah so what what what did she

1430
01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:32,850
I mean towards like somehow I like I

1431
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:33,830
said I talked to her on the telephone

1432
01:11:40,340 --> 01:11:36,720
towards the the end there but she was

1433
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:40,350
very very ill and we didn't yeah we

1434
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:43,650
didn't really talk all that much I mean

1435
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,960
what was her general feeling about the

1436
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:48,000
you know the fact that she would she

1437
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:49,500
must have known that she was getting a

1438
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:52,620
ill yes oh yeah she knew she knew when

1439
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:56,100
actually there was one one time that she

1440
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:00,060
told me that she actually had passed and

1441
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,490
this was a rather remarkable I thought

1442
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:05,520
hearing it from Vivian she said that she

1443
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:10,020
passed away but there was nothing there

1444
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:11,970
she crossed the other side and this was

1445
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:15,210
coming from her she didn't see anything

1446
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:18,510
she said you gotta give me something you

1447
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:19,650
got to give me something or else I'm not

1448
01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:22,170
gonna go and so she brought herself back

1449
01:12:27,710 --> 01:12:25,230
to life because when she crossed over

1450
01:12:29,900 --> 01:12:27,720
she's got nothing and she was telling

1451
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:29,910
you the story and I thought wow you know

1452
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:31,110
I don't I don't know whether to believe

1453
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,690
her but it was real when she was telling

1454
01:12:40,580 --> 01:12:36,060
me about it it felt like she had a real

1455
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:40,590
experience and and and and that was one

1456
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:43,650
of the things that that really that

1457
01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:45,930
really stayed with me from from when she

1458
01:12:50,060 --> 01:12:46,820
shared it

1459
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:50,070
well it seems from that met that printed

1460
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:53,370
memo that I got today

1461
01:12:59,090 --> 01:12:56,310
follow-up appointment with Vivian you

1462
01:13:02,420 --> 01:12:59,100
know it's always it's always too subtle

1463
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:02,430
things that seemed to a to point in this

1464
01:13:09,170 --> 01:13:05,130
you know the direction of there's either

1465
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:09,180
a parallel universe or a simulated or a

1466
01:13:14,150 --> 01:13:12,690
reality I mean philip k dick who I wrote

1467
01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:14,160
a book about recently including my own

1468
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:16,470
synchronicities was a big believer in

1469
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,410
parallel universes and the fact that we

1470
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:21,600
were all part of the real matrix that

1471
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:25,170
this is all a computer simulation and

1472
01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:27,090
you know it well it sounds totally

1473
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:29,880
bizarre but when you think about it you

1474
01:13:37,190 --> 01:13:32,190
know it seems like we are getting closer

1475
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:37,200
in closer to developing you know a

1476
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:39,510
computers and robotics to the point

1477
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:43,080
where we may be able to create a

1478
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:47,460
universe order and it it could it could

1479
01:13:52,940 --> 01:13:51,000
be a Dottie that these crafts or our

1480
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:52,950
vehicles from this parallel universe or

1481
01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:56,040
from this matrix and they realize what

1482
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,510
we are doing and I don't know whether

1483
01:14:02,860 --> 01:13:59,880
they want to help us or or hinder us or

1484
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:02,870
and maybe have no regard for us what

1485
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:05,760
whatsoever but I did have I remember

1486
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:07,590
another paranormal experience with

1487
01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:10,230
Vivian I met her mother a few times very

1488
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:14,220
charming lady and that we were in I

1489
01:14:20,530 --> 01:14:16,380
guess the house you know it was a house

1490
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:20,540
the apartment there that was a I guess

1491
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:23,400
you know Jared carried it but from her

1492
01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:23,840
mother

1493
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:28,580
yeah and yeah and we were just talking I

1494
01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:33,260
did in the subject of her Suzanne's a a

1495
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:36,230
dad came up and I don't remember even in

1496
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,170
what context and I began just singing

1497
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:42,640
like done me singing a song out of

1498
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:45,410
nowhere or humming a few bars or like

1499
01:14:52,270 --> 01:14:48,110
seeing really but humming a few bars of

1500
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:52,280
the of some song can't remember what it

1501
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:54,530
is laughs had and her mother looked a

1502
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:57,590
very a gas at me because it turns out

1503
01:15:03,700 --> 01:14:59,930
that it was her husband's favorite song

1504
01:15:06,370 --> 01:15:03,710
oh okay well it's these little things

1505
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:06,380
that seem to count now I was in the

1506
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:09,950
hospital I to get a um pacemaker or I

1507
01:15:15,250 --> 01:15:12,170
was having trouble breathing and you

1508
01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:15,260
know things were going south and so to

1509
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:17,630
speak and I had never been in this

1510
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:19,610
particular hospital before in fact I

1511
01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:22,840
haven't gotten a hospital in ages and

1512
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:25,640
doctor comes out of me a comes up to me

1513
01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:27,410
I had no idea who he was and he said oh

1514
01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:31,160
are you Timothy green and I looked at

1515
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:33,080
him and I said well how do you know what

1516
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:34,850
my middle name is cuz it was nothing on

1517
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:36,350
my charts nothing in the hospital

1518
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:39,890
records only my mother called my mother

1519
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:42,950
and my sister called me to make green so

1520
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:45,320
I thought to myself well this has got to

1521
01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:46,520
be a message

1522
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:48,580
you know from either my mom or my sister

1523
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:50,840
telling me not to be a frightened or

1524
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:53,570
telling me to be you know deadly aware I

1525
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:55,250
don't know you could take it that either

1526
01:16:00,760 --> 01:15:58,130
way I suppose and the doctor not being

1527
01:16:02,650 --> 01:16:00,770
high on the consciousness Cosmic

1528
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,660
Consciousness level looks at me and I

1529
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:05,360
said oh that must have been the name of

1530
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:07,550
a doctor I was talking down talking

1531
01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:08,930
through it the other end of the room

1532
01:16:13,330 --> 01:16:10,630
well that's preposterous

1533
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:13,340
that's his phosphorous or some of the

1534
01:16:19,890 --> 01:16:16,640
UFO explanations that we hear anyway you

1535
01:16:23,710 --> 01:16:19,900
know we are coming up on the end of this

1536
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:23,720
star-studded program and I want to give

1537
01:16:30,850 --> 01:16:26,210
each of our guests the opportunity to

1538
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:30,860
tell us where the audience of listeners

1539
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:32,470
might be able to get in touch with them

1540
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:37,280
and so terrific why don't you tell us

1541
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:39,050
what you're planning for the very near

1542
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:43,520
future and I know you have some practice

1543
01:16:48,129 --> 01:16:46,670
on YouTube yeah and uh and your

1544
01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:48,139
listeners can actually follow me on

1545
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:50,750
Facebook Instagram and Twitter at stop

1546
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:54,260
to pick the gamer so you know go ahead

1547
01:16:59,169 --> 01:16:57,170
take a follow take a look get to know

1548
01:17:02,620 --> 01:16:59,179
who I am before you have an opinion

1549
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,630
about me and I leave it at everybody

1550
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,880
everybody back to their corner and and

1551
01:17:09,339 --> 01:17:07,360
Donnie what a what a pleasure

1552
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:09,349
any-anything our listeners should know

1553
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:11,750
how to get in touch with you or do yeah

1554
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:15,050
they can just know I'm not on there

1555
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:16,760
anymore we didn't get into wow I'm not

1556
01:17:23,229 --> 01:17:19,070
on there but I think Big Brother's been

1557
01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:23,239
watching me but they're on YouTube watch

1558
01:17:29,620 --> 01:17:26,920
us everybody man yeah my YouTube page

1559
01:17:31,299 --> 01:17:29,630
has all my info but in case they can't

1560
01:17:34,629 --> 01:17:31,309
get to it they can reach me at

1561
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:34,639
Donnybrook at mail.com all right Diane

1562
01:17:40,029 --> 01:17:36,710
we will have both of you back on and

1563
01:17:43,149 --> 01:17:40,039
Vivian love you out there and you say

1564
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,159
and do stay inside anyway I want to

1565
01:17:47,979 --> 01:17:45,440
thank you all our friends and associates

1566
01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:47,989
here Tina the producer and engineer

1567
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,460
Peter Bernard girl Rodriguez and are

1568
01:18:03,180 --> 01:17:55,280
many many listeners and the four corners

1569
01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:05,430
you've been listening to exploring the

1570
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:09,430
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to

1571
01:18:15,210 --> 01:18:12,670
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1572
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:15,220
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1573
01:18:21,940 --> 01:18:18,130
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1574
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:21,950
unexplained with you as their combined

1575
01:18:28,930 --> 01:18:24,460
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1576
01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:28,940
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1577
01:18:35,230 --> 01:18:31,790
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1578
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,240
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1579
01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:37,760
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1580
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:41,540
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1581
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